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08 October, 2009, 23:19
Why the US will lose in Afghanistan – the “values gap”

America’s military operations in Afghanistan are in a shambles. Simply put, Washington and its NATO allies should fold tent and clear the field, pronto. But there is still time to fix eight years of wrongs to save Afghanistan from the Taliban and al-Qaeda, as well as promote regional and global security. Washington must abandon its ridiculous agenda to westernize and colonize Afghanistan and its people. Obama has a stark choice – get down and dirty to win or witness the American empire die on the wastelands of the Afghan-Pakistan border.

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Afghanistan doesn’t need western democracy, it needs security. The recent failed presidential election says it all – Afghanistan is a corrupt and failed state and attempts to create democratic institutions is a waste of time (and the same applies to the questioned legitimacy of American puppets like Karzai). Washington’s democracy project must be cast aside and empower those in Afghanistan who can take on the Taliban-al-Qaeda insurgency.

The American-led occupation of Afghanistan is nothing less than arrogant and a willful disinterest in history. The fact is that the Afghans can take care of themselves and wait out any occupier – consider the experiences of the Mongols, British and Soviets. No occupying power has been able to meaningfully change the nature of Afghan society. However, working with the dynamics of Afghan institutions and values has yielded results.

This strategy is not without holding one’s nose. There are people and groups who can do battle against the insurgency and win – in fact they have a track record of doing this. Remember the Northern Alliance? These are the same folks who fought the Soviets and won (and even took on and defeated the Taliban when given support in 2001-2002). The Northern Alliance is not interested in democracy and many of its members are accused of war crimes. There are at least 20 tribal leaders willing to be armed and provided financial assistance by the west to take on the Taliban – they should be given this opportunity. Let the Afghans determine their own future (and that future is not necessarily a threat to the US and its allies).

Obama should also tell the Pakistanis to get lost until they get real about the threat of the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Washington’s new multi-billion dollar loan to Pakistan smells really bad – it smacks of the same old rewarding of bad behavior when it comes to the Pakistani security forces.

For too long Pakistan has played a two-faced game. It supports terrorist groups that promote its aims to control the fate of Afghanistan, while at the same time continuing to string Washington along claiming the opposite. This double game must come to an end. At the end of day the very problems being played out in Pakistan have everything to do with what is wrong in Afghanistan.

Obama must decide between so-called values and security. Washington’s colonial project in Afghanistan is a complete failure. Democracy in this case does not create security. If we want to get rid of the bad guys, then we must work with some of the other bad guys we don’t like. Once that happens then the US and its friends should get out of Afghanistan as soon as possible. Let the Afghans settle their own scores later.

Is this an amoral, cynical, and inhumane assessment of the Afghan case? Yes, it is indeed. But it is the best case scenario.

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Aleksandar Hranov

22 October, 2009, 21:15

@ from Poland,

“Most people understand that Poland is a pawn in American strategy and will be sacrificed when time will come.” – then why do it? Are you suicidal?..
I think then “most people” should elect themselves a government in Poland that thinks like them, because from what I see the current one does not represent these “most people.” Also I agree fully with this statement above as US government has already made it quite clear that in the case of any territorial disputes between Poland and Germany (and they’re more than likely as you know..), it will stand on German side.

Further, “Most people understand..” this, simply because it’s common sense: Polish have nothing to do with Americans, but have same Slavic origins with Russians and majority of rest of E. Europeans. No matter how much you deny it, origins have everything to do with politics, and the only time when Slav people as a whole will be doing well (instead of being pawns of this or that superpower..) is when the largest one of us – Russia (half of all Slavs) – stands firmly on its feet; what Anglo-American interest is doing today is exactly the same as what the Romans were doing with very divided German people during their time: namely, sending their emissaries there to make sure there’s always some kind of conflict..to make sure the Germans were permanently in a state of war with each other for god-knows what reason – this way they had no time to turn to Rome. Look at Slav world today: Poland vs Russia, Ukraine vs Russia, Croatia vs Serbia, Serbia vs Bulgaria, Bulgaria vs Macedonia and a mild Czech Rep. vs Slovakia. I mean how long are Polish people going to play this game?..

“..- after the breakup of soviet system "the west" was just much more attractive.” – Why?.. Because it was richer? The answer is ‘Yes.’ There’s absolutely no other reason but money and the hope of some of this western money.. – too bad we proved to be so materialistic, obviously half a century of socialism/communism did not affect us much. The East (Russia) was now offering far greater freedom, but nobody was listening: Russia disintegrated the USSR and nobody else, let that be remembered! Russian led USSR disintegrated the Warsaw pact and took its troops back from all over Eastern Europe, and that’s a fact too - without Russian led initiative there would have been no freedom in E. Europe (The ones who really resisted Stalin and the USSR after WW2 were long free already – and bombed in 99 for not giving away their freedom in the face of new ultimatum). What did the Anglo-American interest do in return? Reoccupied E. Europe, this time with its own troops, organizations, and plans.

“Poland is far too small and weak to be fully independent ..”
I disagree.
Examples proving you can be small, but independent: Switzerland, Yugoslavia (1945-1990), Finland (post WW2).


BR
Aleks


from Poland

20 October, 2009, 16:55

Dear johnx,

I know about Brzezinski policy - it would be very difficult to classify him as a Pole, but he is certainly more American. Most of his strategy has no real impact on Polish security and its only role is to maintain USA supremacy on the cost from other countries - which is typical for any superpower (USSR did the same). Sometimes his policy even contradicts with Polish national interests - for example Poland had very good and long relationships with Cuba, Iraq and Iran (after the Islamic revolution) but those were sacrificed and not compensated by good relations with USA. This is why I am so sensitive about not building good relations on sacrifice of someone interests - the mistakes that happened in 90s like those should not happen again - and it applies both to Russia and USA.

Maybe You don't know that but in Poland there is very small sympathy for USA itself - with the exception of families that have relatives there. Most people understand that Poland is a pawn in American strategy and will be sacrificed when time will come. This confronts with strategy of our government which must balance between voices of Russophiles, Russophobes, Americanophiles, Americanophobes and newly established Europhiles and Europhobes - You cant just appease everyone.

Dear Pauline,

Poland is far too small and weak to be fully independent - after the breakup of soviet system "the west" was just much more attractive. Even after collapse of soviet economy Russia was still a major power in the region, and both government and people didn't want to fall into Russian sphere of influence again. The decision to integrate into NATO and EU was chosen from the start - there was no debate on that. Poland as a pawn between two powerful magnets had to choose. I think that for the time it was chosen well but now with slowly emerging EU as a another magnet, priorities should be revised.


Pauline

20 October, 2009, 01:30

Hello From Poland:

What I want to ask you is why can't Poland actually be independent, including from so-called "west"? If you do not want to be a buffer state, like some ball in the air between hands, then really, really be independent! Do not allow NATO to take you over! Do not allow US missiles any more than Russian ones! Etc.

P.S. I think Polish people are great and I'd love to see your culture un Russianized BUT certainly not Americanized either. Please. Just POLISH would be so nice.


johnx

19 October, 2009, 23:25

@Bangdov

Poland does not need to be nuked and it is pretty ridicule to compare the situation of Poland or the Baltic States under the USSR to what there are now where no sovereign states including Russia and based on an imperial system. Although it did have a good educational system from what I understand.

If you’re arguing based on states geography, size, population, education, industrial capacity and natural resources that there are only a few countries able to exert independent policy I would agree.

I think these include of course the US and Britain, Israel, Iran, France, Germany ( I am not so sure after all post war allied laws are still in place in there), China, India although limited due to security, population and geographic location, Russia and Japan.

I think the next super power will be JAPAN.

“It is naive for Poles/Balts to assume that they could build their life without keeping Russia in the back of their mind all the time. They always have to remember if their actions will be approved by Russia or not. If they are careless with this -- they are asking for troubles. And that is the price they have to pay for being "independent" from Russia.”

I can’t tell if you’re a Russophile or a Russophobe.

@from Poland

What about Zbignew Brezinski?

Can't just ignore the fact that he and his family clan aligned with George Soros have been in positions of power and his accomplices like his front man Khalizad who oversaw the Afghan war operation as well as establishment of the Taliban now UN ambassador directing policy against Russia for the past 3 decades from Afghanistan to the Balkans, Caucasus, Europe, India, China, etc.

Events and strategy that directly correlate what he laid out in his 97 book The Grand Chessboard.


Aleksandar Hranov

19 October, 2009, 23:00

Bogdanov, I enjoy reading your comments, but from time to time I have to object. Just off the top of my head..:

I would think 100 times before saying some country should be nuked, no matter how stupid its government may be acting; reasons:
- Because 99.99 % of people in this country are not the government
- Because it has such horrible consequences I’m not sure I want to inflict them even on my worst enemy (Please check some documentaries on Hiroshima and Nagasaki..)
- Because these consequences are so long-lasting and so grotesque that without being religious I actually believe these ready to use them are in fact ‘evil’
- Because it’s the best way to make an eternal enemy.. if your strike is limited..
- Because if you’re so free about use of nuclear weapons I see no difference between you and people, and governments you’re so much against (and I’m with you on the role Britain, the US, Balts, Polish and some Scandinavians have chosen to play in regards to Russia..)
- Because there’s a huge, huge difference between talking of shooting somebody and actually doing it – the difference between talk and action is much greater when hundreds of thousands (to be conservative) are involved

I would reserve such weapons only for defense purposes: eg to strike back if I’m attacked first with them – we have to thank nukes for these now 64 years of relative world peace. Second, and the most positive I see in them, to use them for humanity’s common good – against external threat if one day. I’m against Obama’s recent talk of world free of nuclear weapons; it’s not the weapon that is the problem, it’s the one that chooses to use it.


BR,
Aleks


Bogdanov

19 October, 2009, 16:45

"from Poland". You wrote: "I think now it is unique moment to rebuild good relations...". That is exactly what I am thinking about! So, at least, two of us have found common ground. :-)


john

19 October, 2009, 12:01

Well said Bogdanov. This is all correct but you also need to keep in mind that the polish present line is represented by the ultra stupid parties PO-PiS who unfortunately govern. At least 50% of poles do have positive opinion about Russia. The government however is stupid enough to think that once embraced by the Great Evil they are in position to create trouble for Russia. It is due to recognize the calm with which Russia is treating them despite provocations and obstacles they pose.
Poland and the Balts are the Evils’ Trojan Horses in Europe, still unable to recognize that the Great Evil cannot afford policy of confrontation and therefore has to find peace with Russia.
But the time will come.


from Poland

19 October, 2009, 11:57

Hi Bogdanov,

If You check history Poland was not fully independent country 20/40/60 years ago - not in terms of military, economy, civic freedom and politics in the same spectrum as now. NATO is not the same as Warsaw Pact and EU is not Comecon. Both Poland and Baltic states should and can decide on their own what they want and pay consequences for that of course. I still didn`t read any concrete facts why Poland should deserve a nuke in the head - but assuming that You dont like our independence from Your country and prefer Poland as a CIS or RBU member, then know that Polish authorities are much concerned what Russia has to say (which for me is too paranoid). Poland didnt build nuclear power plants, because Russian goverment occused those plans as a step for building atomic weapons (sure!) and it might anger Russia. Poland does not host any NATO forces on its territory because it might anger Russia. Poland is not a member of NATO nuclear sharing program because it might anger Russia. Almost everything is taken into account from russian side much more that it is needed in my opinion - I would change policy of polish goverment in relations to Russia, but not resign from overall "go west" policy for sake of good relations if this will be the price of them.

On the other side Russia is also far too paranoid on its security and schizophrenic about its shrinking sphere of influence, which was ultimately lost after the Cold War - a fact that russian goverment wants to forget. Any kind of revival for those structures will be on the expense of those countries that are now independent. I think no nation has right in the modern world to declare any third nation a part of their sphere of interest - this includes both Russia and USA. Poland and Batlic states are not russian property or any other - those countries are on their own to decide where they want to go.

You can completely diss me as a russophobe, but I think this maybe far from truth - mostly Poles including myself have very high level of sympathy for Russians and many aspects of russian culture and great achievements of it. This was stormed by nationalist sentiments after Warsaw Pact dissolution, as those sentiments where incubated for the sake of good relations inside the soviet block not only in Poland. I dont have this kind of sentiment myself - I know that the only guarantee of having a border on Odra river was a soviet presence nearby. I know that millions RKKA troops died in Poland fighting Germans - and that without Stalin objections to Roosevelt there would be no Poland at all. Those facts are omitted because they do not fit to stereotypes, but gladly they are slowly swimming up after the tiring flood of polish messianism in the 90s.

I think now it is unique moment to rebuild good relations - Poland and Russia do not have any territorial disputes nor ambitions towards each other. Polish-russian both business and cultural exchange is going well. But those relations cannot be build healthy on the expenses from one or both sides.


Bogdanov

19 October, 2009, 05:15

"from Poland". You are asking why Poland deserves a nuke? Because, Poles are asking for it. I wouldn't give such valuable stuff (a nuke) for free to anyone. But, I am very kind person, and my heart melts from compassion when somebody is begging very much about it...

Now, regarding "independent" Poland. It is independent now as much as it was 20, 40, 60, ... years ago. No more, no less. Let me explain you why.

Lets imagine a situation, that you are the computer nerd (not like Bill Gates, though, but relatively young and poor) and it happened that your neighbor is Mike Tyson. In this situation, the last thing you want to do in your pathetic life is to create any conditions which will disturb Mike. Say, generating noise in the middle of the night (party with other nerds), or bringing barking dogs (to protect yourself from Mike), or spitting on or trashing Mike's property, or giving him lectures about freedom and democracy. Because, what may happen next -- you may find yourself being just a wet spot on the wall of your house.

From the other hand, if your friend is Mohamed Ali, then you, probably, would have a chance to look straight in Mike's eyes. Sometimes. Or even open your mouth. But, this is only with the conditions that Ali is right behind your back and you have worked out your portion of the friendship with him. With Ali as your friend, you could afford to unload the part of your brain from constant thoughts about Mike. But then, immediately, you have to occupy it with the thoughts about Ali.

Long story short, my point is -- you are not completely free to determine your lifestyle in this world. You always have to remember about your neighbors, friends, and enemies. And the smaller you are the bigger part of your brain should be devoted for this purpose. You always have to think and remember about Mike's or Ali's opinions before you make any move and always be sure that at least one of them is happy with you. The situation is pretty much the same between Russia and Poland (By the way, Baltic States are also in the same weight category with Poland). It is naive for Poles/Balts to assume that they could build their life without keeping Russia in the back of their mind all the time. They always have to remember if their actions will be approved by Russia or not. If they are careless with this -- they are asking for troubles. And that is the price they have to pay for being "independent" from Russia.

By the way, may be you are a good guy. I don't know. I hope, though. And if so, please, convince your government to use brain when they are building their relationships with Russia. This is for your sake. Not mine. At the end, Russia is not your enemy. But, you could make it be one.


starlight

18 October, 2009, 21:39

Bogdanov, I did not say that Iran had bloody hands. I said that Americas operations in Afghanistan will be forced to come to an end. As not only US troops but all the troops from NATO. Meaning that they will have to leave as what they are doing is not sustainable. I mentioned Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran, that, the US and its allies, should keep their hands off and leave them alone.
I am very much on the side of Iran, as I see the western countries bludgeoning them with threats and sanctions over their nuclear program which has already been proved is for peaceful purposes. Iran has attacked no one, but the US and their allies have. Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran stands in a peculiar position, with Iraq on one side and Afghanistan on the other, both under US led occupation, both unstable. The weapons Iran has managed to create for self defense also come under scrutiny by these occupying powers. It is perfectly clear that the US and its NATO allies wish to subjugate Iran politically and economically.
Concerning my statement that Mr Medvedev said quite bluntly.... This I must apologise for It was not Mr Medvedev, But Nikolay Petrushev, secretary of the Russian Security Council, in an interview with the Russian newspaper Izvestia. "Russia to broaden nuclear strike". dated 14th oct. Mr Medvedev please accept my apology. Given the strange situation Russia finds itself in with US and its NATO allies wishing to place missiles near its borders, with the missiles aimed at Russia, it is of no surprise to me that Russia gives such a response. I see Russia as a peaceful country minding its own business getting on with economic realities and not going into aggressive wars with anyone, as the US is doing.
NATO should have been disbanded years ago, when the reasons it was created for disappeared some years ago. The EU had decided to create the EU Defense Force for its defense and no more. This was cried down by Britain and the US.
In 2010 there will be a crossroads for the EU, concerning the US wars led in Iraq, Afghanistan and US led belligerence against Iran and the present wold economic situation. The EU holds huge reserves of dollars. The dollar is still plunging and it may reach the levels 1 Euro = $2. This would suffocate the EU economy. Most countries in the world are selling their dollar reserves for Euro holdings. In 2010 the EU will have to confront the US with this situation and use its economic clout to band together with other countries to make the much needed basket of currencies to repair the world economy. If not and they stay with a sinking dollar then the EU will find itself in a situation where it could disintegrate and become an appendage of the USA.
Latin America plans US dollar replacement in 2010. Nine countries have agreed on using a new intra-regional trading currency. It is called the SUCRE. It is named after Jose Antonio de Sucre who fought for Spain's independence alongside Simon Bolivar. The countries involved are, Cuba, Dominica, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Saint Vincent, Antigua, Bolivia and Bermuda. That is according to Presstv.ir.
Bogdanov, I do enjoy your posts they are very much to the point and sometimes amusing. You are a good writer.
Starlight.


from Poland

18 October, 2009, 17:23

And why do You think so Bogdanov that Poland deserves a nuke? Only because it choose to be independet from the likes of You?


Bogdanov

17 October, 2009, 20:53

starlight.
Why makes you believe that Iran has "bloody hands"? We haven't seen any evidence of that yet? From the other hand the United States and Britain seems sinking in the blood... Also, when I am comparing speeches of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi Nejad with many of Western top politicians, I sadly conclude that it is the Western countries (their governments) which are in the state of insanity.

You said: "Mr Medvedev has stated quite bluntly...".
It was a "cry of desperation" in the attempt to conduct the message the deaf (the West). The reason why Russians did it, because the NATO countries behave like a swarm of snakes, which from one hand seems like backing from the original plan of attack, but, at the same time, preparing for the next unexpected and poisonous strike. As I said already many times -- Americans and some Europeans are not trustworthy and Russians should stop being so naive about NATO's real intentions. Therefore, I do not agree with Medvedev, that Russians should reserve rights to use nuclear capabilities. Instead, in response to every new NATO's move in the Eastern direction, Russians should respond with installation of new nuclear-based system on the Western boarders and make those systems ready-to-combat and at any second. And not reserve rights, but, just use them if necessary. For example, Poland, clearly deserves at least one such "mushroom". May be then they wake up from that hypnosis the West put them in. They are lucky, that I am not Russian President -- they would quickly get what they are asking for.


starlight

16 October, 2009, 18:43

Peter, America's operations in Afghanistan will be forced to come to an end, and no matter who is left to rule Afghanistan. I believe it will be a bloodbath. As not only US troops but all the troops from NATO countries who are present. Not only Afghanistan but also Iraq, not withstanding, hands off Iran, leave them alone.
Recently I read a report on RT, in which Mr Medvedev has stated quite bluntly that Russia would use nuclear weapons if pushed into a corner. The present world situation combined with the world economic situation and western countries persisting in trying to bring a failed economic situation back to life, is heading to a world confrontation. Which leaves a question. Which side do you want to be on?
Having followed much of this, for a long time now, its politics and economics are leading to disaster. "You can lead a horse to water, but you'll never make him drink. You can lead a man to slaughter, but you'll never make him think."
For everyone go to http:/www.leap2020.eu/ and read GEAB No 38.


Aleksandar Hranov

14 October, 2009, 23:27

Russia’s going East, or making some major steps in this direction if I have to be more exact – wow! It’s all over the news these days. And I also like the timing chosen: the message to the West seems to be ‘we’ve waited long enough for your good will, now you’re late and we’ve gone East.’
And not only East, but all, East, South and North, look like ways leading to the future for Russia; the West is the past. Now I believe also that going externally to the East, will help Russia do something about its own, internal, huge East – and this should be considered the most important goal I believe.
China is by far the most important country to be engaged by Russia and the relationship can be both long-lasting and mutually beneficial if done with mutual respect – I believe both sides are well capable of that; both should be however well aware of external provocations. Next, India should be brought into the same relationship with both Russia and China: here China and India have to work hard to repair some damaged trust due to China being somewhat aggressive towards India (as seeing it as its major competitor in Asia I guess..). I see these three (with China playing the central role) as coming into an almost EU type relationship in the future: with post Soviet space republics, Mongolia, Nepal, Iran, Turkey.. also joining at some stage. One desirable side effect of such scenario will be very positive influence on Pakistan and Afghanistan. But if anything like that is to happen, I think structure should be closer to that of the Suisse regions/cantons rather than to that of the EU of today.

BR
Aleks


T

14 October, 2009, 21:13

Good points re: Afghanistan.


srdjan nikolic

14 October, 2009, 18:47

I like your programs and comment just briliant


Aleksandar Hranov

13 October, 2009, 00:29

@007
Unfortunately I agree. I can feel this “big bang” coming with my skin now for years, and this is the main reason why I’ve come home (to my native Bulgaria); home I think is where we need to be in critical times. I could feel it even before, but what came as my final and Big wake up call was the bombing of Yugoslavia exactly 10 years ago – this is when I came to the conclusion that either sanity has left this earth or some very urgent factors were behind this aggression: either way, the ship is sinking and we ought to be thinking of our own, individual salvation. As I don’t have too much belief in our leaders’ ability to cope, arranging some small, self-sustainable farm (+other facilities) in a home region (isolation is also very necessary) seems like a good idea to me.., as you’ve suggested.

Yes, I know.., but it has also been said that when surrounded by crazy people the one that is not, in fact looks like the crazy one. I think most people on this forum know what I’m talking about, and what seems really stupid to me is to put my head in the sand just to be part of the crowd: I owe it to my kid at least not to.

What I’m afraid of? Short list is:
1.That the current economic crisis is just a hickup before the real deal..
2.The US debt.
3.A possible single terror act with a WMD that will be the end of the world as we know it (there’s more WMDs and more people ready to use them today than at any time in history..)
4.A possible real global conflict. (danger spots, created almost..on purpose, at this point in time would be: Pakistan-India, Israel-Iran, Russia-Ukraine ..)
5.Global Climate Change due to human and Natural causes (I’m afraid with consequences much exceeding what we’re ready to cope with..)
6.Geometric progression/growth of global population
7.Aggression due to ending global resources (water, food, land, oil, metals..)
8.Globalization (I’m not sure the ones promoting it realize the dangers.., just blinded by shot-term profits.. – unless short-term is all we have left..)
9. Exactly this: that when I take into consideration points 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 it seems to me everything is short-term planned these days. But Why?.. If I’m to believe in a conspiracy theory, then I’ll say our great leaders know something we don’t. If I’m more down to earth, I’ll say our great leaders are themselves setting the time bomb ready to go off in the very near future, simply by seeing just the short-term. Either way we’re cooked: this or max the next generation.

BR
Aleks


CAG

11 October, 2009, 23:16

You are correcti nyour assessment of using the Northern Alliance.


007

11 October, 2009, 15:03

Bogdanov, we’ve thread jumped, but I’ll just say one more thing and hopefully our leaders pick up on it, this idea of a “no/all country” global currency can be used to take the entire world green.
But my reason for wanting to do that is very different to the current bankers idea.

This “global warming” thing is also a scam, and if you research the Clean Development Mechanism, you’ll see it.
Basically the bankers print some money, do some project that is really not economically feasible, but it saves carbon.
This carbon credit saving is then priced at something like $30 dollars a ton “saved” and sold to polluting nations (the ones making the goods) who will be otherwise fined.
It doesn’t actually reduce carbon, what it is, is another siphon that sucks on developing countries, its really just another slave tax, working through a carbon credit exchange, that bankers will make a profit on.

The system itself cannot work on a global scale because those costs will simply reflect in the price of goods… zero sum game actually.

But if this technology were applied to thousands of self sustaining green villages, applying solar, biogas, etc, each of which has a small transparent democratic bank, it does many things, it takes the pressure off dwindling oil, gas and fish stock.
It allows the world to move to a one-child policy so we get back some nature and our kids see wild animals again.
But most importantly, and it’s the thing that any plan must implement, it builds communities because this is the real problem, this banking system has broken down society and even it cant run without it.

Getting people closer to nature will also create food security and reduce unemployment, and in a way its a social contract, you bankers keep the big cities, use it to drive your oil empires, but give us our planet back, and make happy people.

Its abundantly clear that this system cant look after its people now, but its also abundantly clear that its breeding “bankers”, a whole generation of lost souls.
When I read this thread, Afghanistan is as clear as mud, if they said that Obama’s generals were smoking the poppies, I’d get more of a Eureka, but what worries me more is that highly intelligent people are saying, “if we pay those guys to kill those guys, we win”, carry on with that thought, soon your suburb will also be a chess pawn in this bankers game.

I think that even after the war these bankers create, its still not going to work, the only thing I’m sure of is that the world is now fighting the wrong war.
Here’s my prediction, if they start this war, the terrorism veil will come down, the system will unravel completely, billions of people will start starving everywhere, and they’ll have to have another war, and another war… like Einstein said, the war after this one will be fought with sticks and stones.

And that’s my final word… probably a good idea to get a job on a farm now because I cant see any good coming out of where this world is going.

If there are any sane leaders out there, don’t let the bankers do this… fix it.


john

11 October, 2009, 14:27

Gene Hopkins, the evil is still an evil no matter who the president is and whether he got Noble or not.
I recognize Obama has said few good things during the campaign but he already forgot great part of that. For example Guantanamo was to be closed within 100 days.
Obama like Bush is fishing for wars and conflicts outside US borders. To gove peace price for that is a misunderstanding.


07 October, 2009, 19:31
The dollar, Robert Fisk, and the future
30 September, 2009, 07:03
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