Financial pyramids of the 17th century
Argumenty i Fakty: Vladimir, the numerous discussions about the crisis and the countless predictions on its development made ordinary citizens nothing but confused. In your opinion, what is the main myth about the crisis that became rooted in the consciousness of society?
Vladimir Medinsky: The main myth is that the crisis is over. Kudrin’s statements that Russia has finally come out of the recession are far from reality. Moreover, talks about this being the first world-scale financial cataclysm should be added to the group of other great misunderstandings. In the last century the world had experienced crises that were far more severe. The Great Depression of the 1930s was also global in scale. The Wall Street crash and the marches of the homeless on Washington, the financial collapse in Europe, Nazification of Germany, war in Spain and China, starvation in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and central USSR – all of that was also related to the global depression.
The Soviet Union, of course, experienced at that time somewhat differently than other countries because, at that time, it was not a part of the global economy – to a certain degree, that fact was to our advantage.
“AiF”: You say that Russia, like other countries, suffered a number of financial crises which, today, have been forgotten. If we were to look far back in history, in what period could we find a first mention of economic cataclysms?
V.M.: The entire history of civilization is, in fact, the history of financial crises. If one were to dig deep enough, I am sure that notes on economic setbacks could be found in the writings of ancient Sumerians. But, the further we look, the more we see politics and economics intertwine. As far as the Russian crises, the first ones that come to mind are the Copper and Salt Riots of the 17th century.
After all, what was the Copper Riot, for example? Today, it would be considered a financial crisis caused by the unwise monetary policies of the government. And the Salt Riot was provoked by unwise tax policies against the background of a difficult war with Poland. Or, take 17th century Holland as an example – I am talking about the “tulip fever”: that was an attempt to find a new equivalent to gold. Alas, the attempt was unsuccessful; it compromised one of the most developed European economies of that time. The history of British, and partly French, economies of the 18-19 centuries with all the “Lousianas”, “Panamas” and “tropical sea campaigns” – are all financial pyramids typical of those that we have experienced in the daring 1990s. Thus, only the undertone and magnitudes of economic shocks change.
Our civilization and its economy – are a single organism. And a crisis is like a flu for this organism. If the illness were to be treated correctly, then the organism will finally grow immune.
The “suffering” of the oligarchs
“AiF”: Speaking of magnitudes: if I understand correctly, only two crises – the U.S. crisis of the 1930s and the current one – are global in character. Is that correct?
V.M.: Yes, but not quite. Let us remember the times of Pericles in ancient Greece. Silver mines were opened in the territory controlled by Athens. This resulted in this polis-state having an abundance of silver coins. Sparta, which, at that time, had a closed monetary financial system (much like the USSR, which had a non-convertible ruble), understood, that from then on, that its entire system of isolated existence would be threatened. Then, the Spartan government, firstly, prohibited the circulation of Athenian currency on its territory, and secondly, released new unique currency – large metal or stone disks resembling pancakes or rods. When taking a trip to the market, a Spartan would bring along a couple of slaves-helots who rolled his "wallet" in a cart. But, the new currency had its pluses: it was impossible to steal such money, one could not offer it as a bribe, and black-marketeers would face many difficulties as well. Moreover: they were always in sight; therefore, they were a tax declaration in themselves. Today, this seems amusing; but in those days, this was an attempt to keep the banking system independent from foreign influence, an attempt to dissociate from a so-called “all-Greek WTO”.
“AiF”: Who suffers more in the time of crises: the rich, as it is customary to believe, or those living from paycheck to paycheck?
V.M.: In any financial shock, the rich get richer and the poor – poorer. During the Great Depression, for example, America’s wealthiest families bought the property of their competitors. The published rating of our oligarchs, “who suffered most”, did not lack in irony. It is clear that they have not lost anything. Moreover, many are shamelessly trying to get rich at the public expense. In fact, all that has changed is simply the virtual evaluation of their assets. No one lost their key assets. If, say, their possessions were nationalized, seized for banks’ debts, and the oligarchs, who lost their factories, newspapers, steamships as well as yachts and soccer clubs, got buried in long-term debt – then one could say – yes, they have suffered.
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Vladimir Medinsky was born in 1970 in Smela, Ukraine. He graduated from the Faculty of International Journalism at MGIMO. He has a Ph.D. in political science, is a professor at MGIMO, and a State Duma deputy.
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