http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html RT : What will come out of the right-wingers resurgence in the EU? en RT 617213 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:41:35 +0400 @rttv Fifty years worth of Leftest policies have led to the issues that trouble Europe today. It was the Left who created the E.U, one world financial systems, global warming imperialism and the worthless UN. Its the Left which is forcing populations to accept alternative lifestyles and targeting our hometown churches. Its the Left that has stiffled speech in the name of political correctness. Its the Left who control the press in the West and has set the tone and filtered the information with their idologicaly driven agendas. I worked in DC and listened to the speeches of the far Left as they blamed Jews for the worlds troubles and looked for far out conspericies to back up their own form of hatred. You dont see the Right out protesting and burning cars because they lost an election. Rest assured the Left will be out in force as the Right comes to power and look for the Leftest press to find any scandle, no matter how dumb, to splash on the front pages. The People are tired of one party politics. They want to live in peace without some government in far flung places judging them on how they live and who they worship. So its only natural for politics to swing from Left to Right and back. The trouble is Europes past only shows how poor a loser they are and how even the smallest disagreements can lead to war. These same leaders will claim its for the good of the country and blame it all on some USA plot. Naturally the people will swollow it and the politicians will grow fatter while the people reap tears. Nothing ever really changes, only the excuses. 609380 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:00:00 +0400 @rttv Future looks bad but I still have a hope.... History tells that about 50 times Europe attack peaceful Russian state! Today in any western press they attack Russia on any posible subject on purpose to make them look bad as a first move to something worse.Call them as you wish(right wingers) but Russia MUST ACT NOW (before is to late )by any posible way ! Dracula off the past shall not be awaken to suck blood of Europe as before!One thing I am 100% sure, in order to have a peace in Europe- America has to be trown out(theirs bases to) for good!Only they have reason too divide Europeans and their hiden wall has to go down to!As for England - you have to stop act as Trojan hourse off USA !I like to see united Europe from Reykjavik (Iceland) to Vladivostok (Russia) with one curency,one border,one army,one pasport ,under only sun what we have in peace forever! Its not a dream-for as Europeans after all bloody past it is a ultimate target!There is no other way to go! All the best! 596547 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:57:16 +0400 R John@rttv We must remember that only about 33% of those eligible to vote actually bothered which is quiet scary considering that in the UK and elsewhere 75% of new laws that we all have to abide by come directly from Brussels, it also begs the question; do we really need over 600 MP’s sitting in the house of commons and even more non entities dozing in the house of lords?. Two BNP misfits being voted in as MEP’s is not a true reflection of the British electorate merely an un-welcome side effect of the low turn out and I guess this anomaly happened elsewhere in the EU.But if are talking about “resurgence” then wait a little longer and you may well see our old friend Tony Blair coming back with a bang, if the Irish vote yes to the treaty this will clear the way for Europe to have its first president and Tony Blair is a hot favourite. Let me point out that when Obama was elected President the first political figure he officially met was none other than Mr Blair a man held in the highest esteem in the USA. Brown who has failed miserably only remains in power because it suits Blair’s European ambitions the man still has a substantial loyal following within the Labour party and they would throw Brown out tomorrow is King Tony ordered it. Another interesting point is that while Obama seeks to “reset” with Russia Britain is still talking “tuff” probably to win the Eastern European vote when Tony launches his Presidential bid. “The plot thickens”. 595338 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:54:34 +0400 @rttv 16 July, 2009, 08:14, charles jaggers wrote > I think that only a very small minority voted for the far right in the uk. The people that voted for them were of very limited intelligence concerned about immigration and wanting to put the clock back. They feel disenfranchised and feel that no one is listening to them. The far right has nowhere to go in british politics and really have only a nuisance value and enable dissatisfied voters to vent their anger problems. Quite so. Indeed the percentage vote for the neo-Nazi British National Party remained more or less stable by comparison with the previous EU elections and, interestingly, fell in areas where the BNP already had representation at council level. Perhaps voters were aware that at least one neo-Nazi councillor was actually sacked from his place on a council for failing to attend meetings. All such parties have to offer the peoples of Europe is division and hatred. They feed off ignorance and xenophobia and must be treated not with indulgence but met head on and challenged on their true motives. 594006 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:14:38 +0400 @rttv I think that only a very small minority voted for the far right in the uk. The people that voted for them were of very limited intelligence concerned about immigration and wanting to put the clock back. They feel disenfranchised and feel that no one is listening to them. The far right has nowhere to go in british politics and really have only a nuisance value and enable dissatisfied voters to vent their anger problems. 589967 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:52:36 +0400 @rttv WWIII if the right wing prvails all over the EU 588948 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:19:31 +0400 @rttv 19 June, 2009, 07:44, Ergatis wrote > The NWO system did a "fine" work in Europe... The NATO around the planet are excellent immigrant-producing factories, their "products" are transported to Europe by slave merchants and there they serve three purposes: > 1. Cheap workers with no rights for the companies. Unemployment decreases wages and working/social rights. > 2. A good tool to increase criminality. The crime is the best ally of capitalists. It keeps people scared and locked in their homes, preventing any collective social action. > 3. The reaction of voters. Scared by the criminality and angry by the unemployment people turn right to more conservative parties to get rid of the "annoying" immigrants. > Conservative politicians, fascists and financial crisis is a VERY BAD combination. We have seen it before and the outcome was the WW2. History is going to be repeated. Dear Ergatis , I agree with you 1000%, also from one historic perspective: Read the Roman Imperium history ,and you will be badly surprised : it is perfect copy of today happenings(or vice-versa as well!) The results was 1000 years of catastrophic turmoil , darkness or more and at the end the entering of Islam in Eastern Roman( Byzantium) Imperium, and destroying this and later East-Europe, results : absolutely catastrophic.! But what's the worst is that the Banks has created and supported the two monsters of all history : Communism and 20 years later the Nazi system. Nowadays both are integrated in one and the same system with Banks(what Biblical peoples are the Banks !!!???) doing whatever they like and enslaving now the all Planet ... there are to much to be writen and is too late in this up to date most beyond all imagination decadent Roman Imperium. Thank you ! 583374 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:48:24 +0400 @rttv Finnish court left the custody with both parents, but determined for the child to live with his mother, not father! Only when the boy was living in Russia with his mother Finnish court gave the custody to the father, but Finnish laws don’t apply in Russia. Isn’t that so? It’s unbelievable, that some Finns think Russia should be subject to Finnish laws and that Russian children can be violently kidnapped from their Russian mothers! So, now everyone can notice how perverse current Finnish ideology is and totally Russophobic! Now fascists are totally on the rise in Finland – they even put monuments to Hitler’s allies, like Finnish war president Risto Ryti who was found guilty of war by Finnish court. Ryti was supporting Nazi blockade of Leningrad where about a million civilians died. Ryti has not been officially rehabilitated, but Finnish fascists still put his monuments around Finland. I suggest international investigation on the issue. Why isn’t this centre-right Finnish government reacting? Are they approving the glorification of Nazi allies who are responsible for the deaths of millions of Russian (and Finnish) civilians? 579297 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:20:41 +0400 @rttv Swings to the right in Europe have ALWAYS been due to the failure of domestic policies to meet the needs of their people. The resultant economic chaos almost always results in a new manifestation of colonial ambitions ie. Polish invasion, Swedish invasion, French invasion, German invasion of Russia...The Finns always had designs on Karelia and like all post war Nazi collaborators of WWII have been busy trying to revise history. The fact is that Finland is similar to Croatia, Czech Rep. and other vestiges of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire although Finland was part of the old Russian Empire by way of Sweden's botched invasion of old Russia. Like the Croatians, the Finns do have a virulent hate of anything Russian or Slavic Orthodox. The Finns prooved it during the occupation of Karelia during WWII. Like the Croatians, the Finns ran concentration camps for their German patrons and were every bit as cruel as the Nazis. Also like the Croatians & Italians, the Finns switched sides against the Germans when Nazi defeat became imminent which spared them a final reckoning for their war crimes. Everybody also knows that the Finns had designs on Karelia before the Winter war with the Soviet Union....so to say there is no russo-phobia in Finland isn't true and to justify the barbaric behavior of these invaders by blaming Russia is ridiculous. 569586 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:01:12 +0400 @rttv The EU has seen substantial economic migration from various parts of the world, most of it in the form of illegal immigrants either gaining entry themselves or paying organised crime to smuggle them in. Many claim asylum, despite not being having been involved in any war nor being the subject of political persecution in their home countries. Many come for free medical treatment and education for their children. The snag is that the mainstream political parties (and especially the left) have roundly ignored this as a problem. On the ground however, things are different. Illegal workers pay no taxes or welfare contribuitons and undercut the wages of locals. Asylum seekers are housed quickly, often jumping queues for public housing. In large cities, there are schools full of children who cannot speak the local language (e.g. London has three schools where not one child speaks english at home). This has caused resentment and hatred in the local population (not always white, by the way), who feel that their needs, their children and their prospects are overlooked in a sea of politcal correctness. It is these people, usually supporters of left wing parties who have voted for the extreme right, these being the only parties who seem to actually care about the locals and their issues. I guess the mainstream parties will need to actually take some action to redress the balance or this trend will continue. Fundamentally, uncontrolled immigration and especially the bogus asylum seekers need to be returned home. Those that refuse to say where they come from should be locked up or handed to the UN. 568904 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:52:27 +0400 @rttv Strange, how so many posts mention the Mexican Border, in this thread about the EU. The EU doesnt have any borders with Mexico! And, to comment on the topic - the right-wingers resurgence in EU has IMHO the same reason as the left-wingers resurgence: People are impatient with moderates way of solving complex problems one after another instead of all in once. Which will probably just impair the EU in solving more of their internal debates any faster, while the real political issues will be decided by the national governments. 562712 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:29:40 +0400 @rttv EH/Ergatis You failed to mention that the finnish boys legal custody was with his father. Finnish courts had given the custody to him and his mother was unlawfully kidnapped him. The father took the matter in his own hands and got the boy out of Russia. Russia has not signed the international agreements that protect the legal parent in these kind of cases so there would not have been any chance to get the boy to Finland. That is why the sympathies were with the father, not because of some bias. It is true that there is some resentment and prejudices in the finnish population towards Russians but to speak about russophobia is silly. In general the finns are quite positive towards foreigners and there is no extreme right movement to speak of. There are clear historic reasons for the attitudes towards Russia (USSR's attack on Finland in WWII) but usually people diffrentiate the people and the actions of the state. I also believe that the groving critisim towards Russia can be thought as counter reaction towards the growing extreme nationalism in Russia. EH - what do you mean by "same type of government in power". It is a center-right govenrment - extremely far from BNP or the rest. Heikki 546454 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:41:53 +0400 @rttv Immigration,a white mans agenda to divert the uneducated and ignorant from thier own poverty,the rich get rich and the uneducated have something to talk about ,apart from thier own ignorance.,speaking from a uk perspective,probably the same in america,they have the same broadcast and media garbage as mouthp[ieces.ps doubt if the right wing will get very far in europe ,the europeans have been educated ,and have had revolutions when things get too far to the right. 545707 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:55:52 +0400 @rttv Western europe has up to now, being a fertile ground for right wing ideology and fascist policies,that sadly become the norm,thanks to the daily dose of Propaganda to influence the people,and is behind the recent election of more than ever,right wing extremists.It is no wonder these Fascists,want Iran and all Nations of the World to become democracies. Like the Tyrants of the past,these of today,continue seeking to Impose themselves on all Humanity,as the only choice,and salvation,they have from nothing less than Hell.To convence the masses all they need is enough Propaganda,paid with money corporations are willing to give these politicians,for favors in return,for laws to pass that are intended to ever more squeeze,and Oppress the people.This type of democracy in my understanding, has to be avoided,until totally eliminated. 505072 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:03:31 +0400 @rttv The current emphasis on the fear of foreigners in Europe preceded the economic crisis by about ten years. The problem has always been that the people were indoctrinated by their governments that multiculturalism was the way to go, the foreigners would add some extra flavor to the mix. Fact is, it didn't. Inviting hundreds of thousands of uneducated foreigners without some kind of plan to succesfully integrate those people isn't my idea of adding flavor to the mix. It is useless setting your borders open for every poor soul that had to flee their country, wether it is for economic or political reasons. As long as the troubled countries from which these people come are not structually improved, this will have no ending. I am a fan of man, wherever you're from, but I don't like to feel as if I'm the foreigner in my neighborhood, not understanding a single word spoken around me when I go to the grocery store. Europeans in general have been told for decades that nationalism is at best frowned upon, because in the minds there is still the perceived connection of nationalism-facism-nazism axis. Despite this, I still don't feel like giving my vote to a right-wing party, but it is interesting to see that the common people will no longer have their governments ideal of multiculturalism. It is a fine theoretical one-world one-people ideal, but people who live in neighborhouds full of crime, noise, trash and misbehaving, unwilling immigrants might not agree with that ideal. 504841 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:18:48 +0400 @rttv Over the course of the last fifty years public schools in America have pushed the Liberal agenda, as a result we no longer have control over our kids, our borders, or our politicians. Because the music the kids listen to is mostly about sex and drugs, and allowing our children to date and be alone at a very early age we have an illigitemate birthrate in America of over 40%. In Los Angeles county 70% of all births are by illegals from Mexico who pay nothing and their baby's get instant citizenship. To those who think socialism is the best way, just look around and see, it brings inslavement and poverty. Capitalism has its problems but over the course of time Capitalism along with Integrity will bring prosperity. 501023 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:39:49 +0400 Ant@rttv Well, I think the outcome of the right wings resurgence in the EU will have to be the alignment to more centrist polices. There definitely needs to be a correction on the right because socialism is the essence of the absolute. And well, the coming of Jesus Christ represents that socialism is God's rule. Conservatism, right wing policies, simply won't do. I like to see a centrist policy of equality come into play in Europe. God Bless Christian Love from Anton 500880 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:08:01 +0400 @rttv I have a bank account. Noone other then me has access to that money. It is down to me and the bank staff to stop violations to my account. If the EU become right wing in terms of Governments, they will likely lose trade with other Ethnicities. I believe that things are symtoms of causes. The cause of EU right wingers may be down to the rise of other countries in terms of there financial successes. I do not say to punish or work against the West, but to focus one's favour on themselves, that is the way I work, FOCUS YOUR FAVOUR ON YOUR SELF. 500854 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:36:56 +0400 johnx@rttv The case with the BNP here in Britain is totally over hyped with all the newspapers working in unison to attack the party. Worst is the fact the leftist goons and there Marxist anti-fascist organisations that are affiliated with the ruling Labour party and receive tax payer money Searchlight with conspired with the BBC in a documentary to get Nick Griffin prosecuted for "hate speech" and UAE (United Against Fascism) which recently attack him when he was addressing reporters outside of Westminster. Nationalist party primarily got elected on immigration issues especially against Muslims in Western Europe which is odd as they don’t seem to mind the creation of an Islamic state in Europe in Bosnia. http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=6690 500801 http://russiatoday.com/About_Us/Forums/forum_Politics/2009-06-10/What_will_come_out_of_the_right-wingers_resurgence_in_the_EU.html Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:55:35 +0400 Meslin@rttv Recently, I sent a comment on that subject. I reconize having been rather nasty with Barroso, Sarkozy & Merkel. I just related facts. Back in 1970, a prominent newsman wrote this: Europe will be americanized or will never be. I do beleive that it included Russia. Up to now after over 50 years of existence, what is EU ? An amalgame of republics royales (like France), of mafiosis republics (like Poland,Tchequie etc.) and decadent royalties ( Holland, Great-Britain, Spain etc.). This union feed hundreds of thousands of leechs and useless servants. It produce a capitalist system, peraphs more deceitful than its US equivalent. Having a rightwinger resurgence will not make much difference. We need, first of all a european project, a fully independant Union (not a US puppet) and some honnest, sincere and efficient politicians. Having little natural ressources mean than ingenuity is our logical savior. Unfortunatly, the bad example given by the elites, psychologically make european societies more and more shabby- looking. Unfortunatly, it will get worse before it get better. Sorry Future European Generations ! Jean-Claude Meslin