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anonymous thing August 20, 2008, 16:07: If a missile shield is implanted all over the world, then SRBM to ICBM missiles will be useless. You don't need to ban countries, just work together and create an anti-missile defence. You do need to ban countries from creating nuclear bombs as you can't really shoot something down which is hurtling towards you at the speed of W+F=S.
W=Weight.
F=Force of gravity.
S=Speed.
P August 18, 2008, 12:32: I wouldn't worry about things so much, I say we are like flowers, the world is a flower, in the flower of the universe. Try to be nice first and know how precious you are. I think if you really want something you get it, so choose wisely:)
Snoepy August 13, 2008, 14:19: First you tell me which countries are you banning,maybe the helpless ones who have only one riffle.if any law should exist,then it should start with America who will never abide by any such law or treaty.They are making our beautiful world today unsafe.
flyer19999 August 12, 2008, 23:04: Yes, only if all other countries give up their nuclear weapons. The United States wants to put missile defense in Poland but they do not want Russia to put bombers in Cuba. Are they that stupid or do they think Russia is weak and cannot respond.
Sean August 10, 2008, 07:25: With removal and Ban of All Nuclear Weapons we would return to massive conflicts the size of WWII and WWI, the bliss of Nuclear weapons is now Major Powers now have the Ability to remove their enemys off the face of the earth, or doom the World to nuclear Holocause, both very bad.

So what do you see instead? No Major power fights another major power for the singular fear of Nuclear War.

Instead they fight these smaller nations, or they do Proxy wars as not not fight each other directly. No nation should be denied the right to Nuclear weapons, for it is one of the worlds deterrents for war. Look I've got nukes, go away.

Without the creation of Nuclear weapons, we would be in WW IV, the USSR would probably still exist fighting the US, and probably everything would make alot more sense.... lol.
ok... I'm done.
Richard August 10, 2008, 05:59: What I do understand, is not one nuclear weapon can ever be detonated because it destroys us all. What I don't understand, is why my country still has 10,000 of them?
Sevodnya_Net July 20, 2008, 15:37: Rad,
I know very well what you meant. I was having a wee joke. For someone with my background your turn of phrase was hilarious
Peace :-)
Rad July 19, 2008, 10:57: Sevodnya_Net,

Excuse the confusion. I meant a passing reference to the men of Orange Marches (pro British Protestant) primarily in the British occupied northern part of the Republic of Ireland. Also known as Orange Lodge, Orange Institution, Orange Order, Orangeman, etc. Not Ukraine, although their Orange are also trouble makers and seeds of someone (i.e., West) still causing problems in the World.

You may recall that some of the Dutch Partisan Resistance during WWII also used the Orange color band as their symbol honoring the same Dutch born English King of long ago. March honors King William of Orange's (Protestant) military victory against King James (Catholic).

Perhaps a true Irish man who still believes in the Republic will post confirming the English patent on Orange. Given my feelings towards Croatia, etc., which I cannot put into print here, Irish Republicans are one of the few Catholics I respect given what they have suffered and still suffer.
Vijay July 18, 2008, 15:11: Karl posts - Contact has been made with advanced friendly beings from other planets who will not allow the use of nuclear weapons any more. Thousands of ships will be landing soon and these beings will be sharing new technologies with us to power our cities and cars without pollution, grow food, and help us in so many ways.

My response - And what happens if these benevolent beings suddenly decide not to be too kind towards us and start warping us back to the stone ages?
Our only defense then would be the nukes, wouldn't it...?
However, it may not be NATO vs. the Aliens, it should be the Alliance vs. Aliens...

NATO, my dear friends is outdated and unnecessary, it should be an "Alliance of peace",that is necessary.
Unless the great big Satan ruler wants us all to be departed instead of dear...:((
Sevodnya_Net July 18, 2008, 14:27: "... their orange seeds of sabotage. "

Wasn't the "orange seeds of sabotage" supposed to be Ukraine, or did the British Government claim the patent a few years earlier?

:-)

At any rate, it's wonderful stuff. Keep it up!
I'm thinking of doing a post in the style of Rad but I need to work up to it....
johann July 18, 2008, 02:33: To Karl
I would be very interested in more details about your supposition.How did you get to these results?It seems too fantastic.
Karl July 15, 2008, 13:38: All nuclear weapons have to be eliminated. The excuse that the US must have them as a deterrent holds the rest of the world hostage. Contact has been made with advanced friendly beings from other planets who will not allow the use of nuclear weapons any more. Thousands of ships will be landing soon and these beings will be sharing new technologies with us to power our cities and cars without pollution, grow food, and help us in so many ways. It is time for the war machines to end, and all people to live in Peace. As an American, I am a member of the nuclear age peace foundation. If we have free electricity, and food, why do we need to kill each other?
Rad July 15, 2008, 02:37: Response to Californian's comments made on July 4, 2008, 05:59 re 911 and interceptors

Californian,

You may wish to step back from this self imposed emotionally charged matter and give it some more thought with a degree of objectivity and "free thought" yet unseen. Simply saying your enemies are "brainwashed" and one of the largest Air Forces in history didn't have fuel to fly Counter Air Patrol over its occupied territories just doesn't cut the mustard.

The British tried in vein to do the same, just like they occupied most of the world, they also occupied and still occupy Ireland with their orange seeds of sabotage. Committing widespread horrendous atrocities against the Irish people without recognizing the sting of legitimate resistance for what it was. The British deliberately referred to resistance as terrorism in the hopes of fooling the world with their shivering upper lip.

It is a typical propaganda notion to call the actions of your enemies as incomprehensible brainwashed terrorist acts. You as their "American Cousin" just can't objectively accept getting hit by a counter punch giving credit for what it really is, when it is due. Your governments and their supporters, especially your media, take this one track position, not from a position of "free press" objectivity but one to further your own collective agenda. For propaganda purposes of not wishing to make your enemies and would be enemies into heroes. As if the heroics of your enemies are predicated on what comes from your forked tongues.

What your governments of occupation also fear are encouraging a mass movement of "minorities," i.e., the majority, the victims and targets of your so called War on Terror, Westward Journey and Occupation from the past hundreds of years, to bond together in an alliance rising up as legitimate resistance and Partisan forces within your Nazi Germany of Anglo British America Empire. That is why in empires like Rome, Nazi Germany, United Kingdom to the United States occupied territories, they all prohibit resistance. Notices are everywhere, even with their "objective" media taking the "government" view encouraging collaboration. Simply dial 911, remain anonymous, receive a reward, more coins if it is Jesus, less for Barabas.

If there is any brainwashing, this is it, by your own empire in the hopes of delaying the much feared and sure to come Spartacus Slave Revolt. While presenting a false "Cry Baby" or "look what they did to me" sad face as a cover to gobble more global resources. "Remember the Maine, To [Heck] with Spain!" off the coast of Cuba and how that mysterious incident won you Hawaii and other rich lands resulting from the war with Spain? Remember the Tonkin Gulf incident and how that enriched your defense industries? A lot of profitable "tragedies" befall upon you. This isn't the first time we see this profitable American "Cry Baby" routine. Is this spoiled American Cry Baby even worthy of sympathy?

Looking back at history to the present, and for the sake of discussion: the hypothetical, what action, if any, against your so called United States would you consider as legitimate or heroic? Please take the time and elaborate. Surely, all the victims around the world of your empire need some avenues for resistance, don't they? Is there any justification for attacks e.g., resistance, reprisals, self-defense, preemptive action, or other uses of force against you?

Perhaps there were some unintended consequences in 911 as well, sadly people from other countries who for some unexplainable reason were living under a rock detached from any sense of reality, not knowing there existed a state of war and occupation, were also caught in the middle. Failing to realize that at a time of war, knowing full well that the United States and its Allies for hundreds of years, to the present, since their inception, are responsible for a comprehensive host of atrocities against humanity. From holocausts, genocide, occupations, interference, murder, assassinations, torture, coups, sabotage, destabilization, totalitarian police state puppet regimes and every other horrendous aspect constituting your true state of being. If you wish to avoid problems, do not sail on the Lusitania or remain in the Reich. If you are free from sin, declare yourself as stateless and seek refuge in the neutrality of Switzerland. More about this and where you should go later.

Getting back to your 911 operational assessment. You talk about preventing attacks with fueled interceptors, but you don't mention a much better and more honorable way to prevent such attacks. That is, don't give cause to them in the first place. That is the best environmentally friendly interceptor of all and it requires no fuel whatsoever.

As a lay person, I don't know who carried out the 911 attacks you mention. Given the failed American educational system, it seems so ludicrous that a bunch of private low budget flight school trained rejects could pull something so sophisticated like this off. Perhaps what's needed is an honest and open public hearing without any secrecy into this matter, unlike what has been released so far that is likened to the white wash of the Kennedy Assassination findings and its lone CIA gunman single pristine bullet theory. Perhaps it was a US False Flag operation. Space aliens? Who knows? Your West with its so called "free media" keeps addressing about every absurd thought there is, except the obvious root cause. All we can do is speculate. If we take your West's collective party view that a resistance movement of some sort called Al Queida has carried out these attacks. What has been attacked? Hospitals? Schools?

There is no doubt that the Pentagon was a legitimate military target. Next, the World Trade building Towers are also clearly military economic targets. Besides the Gold, housed within it, there were also armed police security stations stockpiled with weaponry, US military offices (recruitment offices, etc.) and personal, not to mention numerous US political party of democracy (Republican, Democrat, Independent, etc.) party members, US collaborators, economic interests, so on and so forth. They all represent legitimate targets. Furthermore, anything also flying the flag of your enemy is also a legitimate target. Objectively speaking in lay mans terms, what's all the big fuss about?

During wartime, how can you argue that any of these are not legitimate targets? You yourselves have bombed such targets from Germany to Iraq, housing their political party members, military personal and offices, even economic targets. How many were killed in the collateral damage? Why shouldn't you expect the same if not worse from your enemies and victims in return? After all these hundreds of years, respectfully speaking, aren't you being arrogant? We'll address collateral damage later.

Was the pilot of your B-29 Bomber Christened the "Enola Gay" who dropped the atomic bomb on Japan brainwashed to drop it on hospitals, women, children, old people or otherwise defenseless persons? One would think they'd drop it on the Imperial Place as retribution for Pearl Harbor but let's save that for another discussion about how FDR provoked and let Pear Harbor happen. Getting back to your bomb. What if in mid flight of dropping that bomb, a Japanese raises her hands to surrender to the rock music of your imperialistic empires bomb? If a fleet of US made B-29's with or without atomic weapons or an unmanned drone with missiles had flown over your enemies doing the same carnage and damage, would you legitimize it and call such action heroics?

Think of all the US, French, British, Pakistani, Indian and Israeli personal stationed at Nuclear, Biological and Chemical weapon sites and platforms, ready at a moments notice to unleash their venom of democracy. Are they all brainwashed into a zombie state of mind through their Basic Training? They are all getting paid, have benefits, are rewarded medals and represent your compatriots. What about them? Are they safe and sane fireworks or brainwashed?

Perhaps you're going to say that so called civilian aircraft filled with "innocent" civilians were used in the Kamikaze role? I don't know the true contents of the planes or if in fact they were civilian. Using your data, how many of your "innocent" people were political (Republican, Democrat, Independent, etc.) party of democracy members or collaborators of Anglo Zionist Western democracy (USA, UK, etc.)? How many were former or present military, CIA, FBI or other covert security services personnel? In your supposed objectivity, how can you phrase this assortment of individuals as being "innocent"? What's your criteria of innocence? A Yankee Doodle Dandy?

Now, if your argument is going to gravitate around the so called farcical Geneva Convention and its accords as your basis. Then I would argue that these so called accords are the product of the Anglo Western powers themselves, written, interpreted and adjudicated again by themselves in a self serving manner.

As stated, the so called laws of war of this glorified one world government are concocted and interpreted by the West themselves to their benefit. Only they can declare a just War, even if it's hidden within the form of enforcing "peace" keeping resolutions of their own making. Going as far as to declare everyone in violation, an unlawful combatant, terrorist or war criminal. With this in mind, like the very Romans they represent, they've written it to where they are the only lawful force and all others before them must surrender and face the consequences of being crucified on the crusader cross of Zion.

Now, let us talk about War. All wars are terrible and should be avoided. If you've taken a side during war, whether it be that you have political membership in the party, participate in the political process, fly the flag, make money, hoard gold, occupy Indian Civilization lands, or would call the Police to turn in Jews or Middle Easterners as a collaborator or potential collaborator, then you have to be prepared to also accept the realities of war for yourself in reciprocation. Please don't hide behind any imagined cloak of innocence, because there is none.

Given the technological disparity, you cannot expect so called less developed or primitive cultures and peoples to fight on par or in accordance to alleged Western codes of conduct which in reality are barbaric. Doing so would be disadvantageous and less than honorable. Aztecs, Incas, tribes people, nomads, pigmies and cannibals, for example, cannot be expected to understand, comprehend, or maintain the resources to fight in accordance to western practices. In accordance with the absurdity of conveniently written Western accords, they would be compelled to surrender their lands and themselves to face occupation and prosecution.

When fighting such so called "primitive" peoples, the attacker shall receive his due wherever he may be, this "inconvenient truth" is perhaps the best incentive against occupation, plunder, war and interference. They determine the timeline of when wars start and end, not you. If you attack Aztec's destroying their entire civilization, robbing them of Gold to fill the Pope's Rome and your pockets, being subjected to Aztec ritual sacrifice is a small cost to pay in return and this is to be expected. If you go into Africa to abduct slaves, steal diamonds and lands, you're on today's and tomorrows menu, because being eaten by cannibals is to be expected. If you attack pigmies, expect an endless showering of poisonous darts. If as a Pale Face you're on so called native American Indian civilization lands for any reason, even after having exterminated entire civilizations with WMD's and holocaust tactics. Weather you belong to General George Armstrong Custer's US 7th Cavalry or are its collaborators and beneficiaries, what happens to your hair style should come as no surprise. When your columns of covered wagons filled with Winchesters, women and wine are ravaged by Indians while on your Buffalo Coin Westward Journey invasion. It is to be expected.

The slogan "Yankee Go Home" doesn't just mean returning to New England, Boston, not even the beach head of Plymouth Rock, and then continuing pursuing a life of hoarding Buffalo Indian beheaded Gold coins, Austrian Philharmonic Gold coins and Canadian Maple Leaf Gold coins, but returning to England itself while you can and leaving the Gold coins behind. If you wish to pursue the American Dream of Democracy and Zionism, there is plenty of space for settlement and farming on the Queen's properties in England itself. Take your Westward Journey there and see how you are welcomed by the Queen and her Crown Jewels. This is the intelligent response. Not interceptors and more fuel. Haven't you realized by now who and what you represent? Are attacks on the lands you occupy and torment unexpectedly out of the blue to you? Come now, who is the real product of brainwashing?

If you are looking at it from the standpoint of your term "collateral damage." How many "innocent" Axis civilians were killed in collateral damage attacking Axis Military, Population and Economic targets, compared to the 911 alleged civilian collateral damage, even counting those on board? During wartime there is no distinction and the lives of one peoples should not be over valued compared to others, namely those of enemies. There are reprisals too. How many people have your collective alliance of governments shot in reprisal for the loss of one of your own? What has been the ratio?

It has been reported in US media that the Anglo Americans have devised a carnivorous formula allowing a set number of collateral damage enemy civilian casualties to be lost in attacks against one terrorist enemy individual. If true, then reciprocating attacks against the Anglo Americans themselves should also be viewed in the same manner. Even if there is a disparity in this acceptable loss ratio amount of "collateral damage" resulting from a technological or cultural disparity of less developed attackers. Not everyone has Atomic Bombs to drop on you. Not everyone is Hi-tech.

Again, why is it perfectly acceptable for the Anglo Americans to ravage entire cities filled with schools of children, old people, hospitals with pregnant women, churches and historical sites with atomic bombs, fire bombings, sinking of vessels and other horrendous attacks such as economic embargos to starve women and children? Whole civilizations. This is viewed as gentlemanly conduct and chivalrous. They are awarded medals and inducted into the hall of Anglo American heroes. Whole museums, monuments, books and films are erected to preserve their heroics, even as encouraged roll models for succeeding generations of your kind. Do you see this as brainwashing?

What became of the 911 movie made for American television viewers and the reports the US "free media" has made? It showed the attackers as cowardly, less than Islamic, partying, drinking, even frequenting your adult entertainment dance clubs. Most laughable of all, having an old maiden ugly American girlfriend, perhaps this was concocted by your intelligence services hoping to create a fictitious snaring contact point. Who knows what they were thinking with this fiction. Subject matter for another discussion.

There is an old John Wayne movie, perhaps the title is "the Fighting Seabee's," were he plays a US soldier committing suicide, sacrificing his life driving a bull doser with explosives into Japanese. But you'll say the Japanese were uniformed. Then I'll say what about the cities you bombed? What of the Indians you subjected with Holocaust through WMD's, starvation, massacres and the Trail of Tears not recognized on your "Westward Journey End of the Trail Indian Head Buffalo" Gold Coin? We see the head of an Indian on this American coin and a bull on the reverse, but you fail to realize what this really signifies: a beheaded Indian and a load of bull. Is this brainwashing? If you're going to say that was long ago, let's forgive and forget so you can reap the rewards of these ill gotten gains... then you should refer to another post made in this forum in another thread addressing the fallacy of that very point.

Objectively speaking and simply put, cut the bull and give credit where it is due. If 19 of your "primitive" enemies have really done that all in a good morning wake up call day's work of hand to hand combat, it is truly an accomplishment in the annals of military history. Nevertheless, compared to all the harm you yourselves have caused in the world for hundreds of years continuing into the present and possible forcible future, that is still a very small price to pay. It's not like George Bush's daughters have joined the US Army with Jessica as enlisted personnel and are single handedly defeating whole Iraq Republican Guards divisions in hand to hand combat. The rich in America are richer enjoying their lives and the poor are poorer facing the harsh realities of democratic life.

With all of this in mind, contrary to what another poster has remarked, I do not believe your comments represent the thought of "many good & intelligent Americans!!" For they represent the same load of Buffalo coin bull "brainwashed" propaganda view as your government and its media. Where is the objectivity? One US late night televised talk show host made a comment about the bravery of the 911 attackers. His show was canceled in the outrage. He received threats. Given the money involved and the need to maintain his lively hood, he backtracked his words under this pressure of the all powerful dollar and its coins.

Seriously, the only "many good & intelligent Americans!!" hoped to be seen in "the white house" are the Indian natives removing its crumbling rotten creature from the swamp foundation to be replaced with Tepees. If there is such a thing as "many good & intelligent Americans!!" then they are very few in number, if any. I doubt there is even one. How van there be even one? Don't forget that claiming to be an American in the first place, comes only at the expense of legitimizing the occupation of Indian lands. Is being an American truly a legitimate state of being? No. Is the basis for its existence true? No. Therefore, such a thing cannot have the right to exist in the first place. If you recognize an American, you're creating a fictitious being basing its existence solely at the expense of others, you give credence to the occupation and all that has come from it to this very moment of living history.

With all due respect to this free minded forum, considering all of this, Americans are not a people, the more appropriate objective term may be a Piracy, if not much worse. Something so terrible that I could never write here in text alone. The hocus-pocus magic trick of Western Democracy comes only at the expense of others. When you base your existence and "religion" as a fictitious "people" and "culture" at the expense of others, what happens in return should come as no Gomer Pyle "Surprise, surprise" because in reality it is a "Shazam!"
Arina July 9, 2008, 18:16: Why only US, Russia, UK and China allowed to have Nuclear Weapons but not Iran, N.Korea, India, Pakistan? who says the US is more responsible nuclear state? they had more wars in past 60 years then any other country, They have used Atomic bombs on civilians then any other nation, they have killed more people and fired more missiles then any other nation with its 700 military bases around the world, and YET we trust them with having few thousand nuclear war head they carry around 18 submarines around the world and NOT sign NPT. They even claim they have right to use nuclear weapon, then why US can have and not other small states?
DD July 5, 2008, 20:48: Californian,
I know it Californian, and I'm very glad that there are many good & intelligent Americans!! Just wish to see some in the white house.
Greetings, DD