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GET IT OFF YOUR CHEST - U.S. antimissiles in Europe: a safer world or a new arms race?

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tlumacz August 21, 2008, 14:07: The recent decision of Polish authorities to allow placing U.S. antimissiles in Poland is highly unpopular. It is against public opinion.

Therefore, a spontanous demonstration SOLIDARITY WITH RUSSIA has been scheduled in front of of Russian Embassy in Poland, Warsaw, 49 Belwederska Street, on Friday, August 22nd, at 5 p.m. Polish time.
Neutral August 20, 2008, 00:40: What are the range of these so called rogue state's missiles?Why is the proposed missile defence shield nescessary in Poland or is that relevant to the trajectory nescessary for interception?

We all know the only real winners in any arms race is the guy who runs the production line but that's nothing new.

The funny thing is that if you locked some honest level headed openminded forward thinking US citizens into the same building with some similiarly minded Russian citizens and left them there for a whole day they would probably exit that very room as the best of friends whereas if you locked just a group of Polish citizens into that building on their own they would probably start fighting with each other.

The thing is the ordinary man on the street who has any reasonable intellect or wisdom on world matters knows damn well that it's mainly a race to secure resources and stability in the regions these resources come from and the dice has already been thrown.

Back to the missile defence shield.....It won't work without Russian cooperation.Let's be reasonable.....would you allow it on your borders without proper consultation and cooperation.After all it would surely be passing over your airspace to hit these rouge state's missiles eh??

We need to stop the monopoly mentality and realise that EVERYONE on this earth needs a safe free clean earth and spend a little more time regulating the private corporations who are profiting from our planet's resources and its inhabitants quarrels.
Walter August 19, 2008, 23:42: The Russian concern over anti missile bases in Poland for the defense of Europe against possible attacks from missiles fired from the middle East is totally unfounded.
The scope of this missile is hardly large enough to protect Europe from the large number of Russian missiles still targeted on the West.
It seems to me that Comrade Putin has once again succumbed to the centuries old Russian paranoia of the west has returned to the world stage. Now that he has the financial backing from the sale of oil and gas I think we will see him try to re-erect the
Iron Curtain and pull as many of the former Republics in with him. With this in mind, the placement of US anti-missiles will
be an absolute necessity and unfortunately lead to a renewal of the arms race.
Arina August 19, 2008, 14:45: Bob: Iran is bad now because they supply weapon to Terrorist? How about US gave all kind of money and weapon in 80's to Taliban and gave birth to Osama, US only gave all Chemcal weapon to Saddam to use against Iran,

SO US only Harbor terrorist again Russia and Iran and now when Iran is doing same thing, US dont like it? Sure, so whatever US does is alway LEGAL and whatever the rest of the world does is always Illegal?

Talk about INVADING Iran, (We the USA should just do it ourself, and Invade Iran) Yeah sure, GO TRY IT, or first Finish your Iraq and Afghanistan Invasion then try Iran or you would never end it in 50 years (unlike Iraq and Afghanistan is going on 8th year now)

50 years or more will take to Invade Iran, just like Israel trying Palestine for 60 years now. Now invasion is the defination what you mean by Invade, unlike Stupid bush said "Mission Accounplished" STILL NOT YET.
panther August 19, 2008, 14:34: The first post-Cold War expansion of NATO came with the reunification of Germany on 3 October 1990, when the former East Germany became part of the Federal Republic of Germany and the alliance. This had been agreed in the Two Plus Four Treaty earlier in the year.

To secure Soviet approval of a united Germany remaining in NATO, it was agreed that foreign troops and nuclear weapons would not be stationed in the east.

The scholar Stephen F. Cohen argued in 2005 that a commitment was given that NATO would never expand further east, but according to Robert B. Zoellick, then a State Department official involved in the Two Plus Four negotiating process, this appears to be a misperception; no formal commitment of the sort was made.

On May 7, 2008, The Daily Telegraph held an interview with Gorbachev in which he repeated his view that such a commitment had been made. Gorbachev said "the Americans promised that NATO wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted."

In April 2007, NATO's European allies called for a NATO missile defence system which would complement the American National Missile Defense system to protect Europe from missile attacks and NATO's decision-making.

Russian president Vladimir Putin claimed that such a deployment could lead to a new arms race and could enhance the likelihood of mutual destruction. He also suggested that his country would freeze its compliance with the 1990 Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE)—which limits military deployments across the continent—until all NATO countries had ratified the adapted CFE treaty.

NATO members wanted Russia to include a withdrawal of its forces in Georgia. The linkage between the ratification of the adapted treaty and the complete withdrawal has no legal basis, but is rather a political decision made by NATO members.

After Russia was not willing to support the US missile defense plans in Europe, Putin threatened a "moratorium" on the treaty in his April 26, 2007 address.

Putin later issued a decree intended to suspend the observance of its treaty obligations on July 14, 2007, effective 150 days later which means Russia is now entitled to enter into an "arms race".

Russia's military spending last year was [ declared ] as $40 billion and it 'declared' a further [ $200 billion ] spending plan to "upgrade its armaments and military".
Pharago August 19, 2008, 11:54: damn it, lets hope usa elections comes fast and the madman that lives in the white house gets kicked in his presidential ass for good, hes going to blow up european arms balance, missile shield? in poland? in poland? c'mon u've got to be kidding me, why not in israel? or egypt? or some place where it makes sense? anyone really belives that a missile flying from iran will cross the damn mediterranean sea? im telling you that man in the white house is an idiot that thinks that the rest of the world is as stupid as him, what a waste of resources...
Eric August 19, 2008, 03:22: Like most Americans, I have no idea what ten interceptor missles will accomplish against the vast array of ICBMs that Russia still has in its arsenel. I think the Bush administration ( reelected through the strategic plotting of Carl Rove -placing referendums on gay marriage on as many state ballots as possible- ) is rewarding Poland for playing along in Iraq. This is hardly any reward that I would appreciate. I hope that cooler heads prevail and all this foolish posturing stops.
David August 18, 2008, 22:02: Hi Robert;
When USA posed this mad idea of placing missiles in the old USSR countries i.e. along Russia's border, Russia did approach USA to be part of the scheme - missiles against those fired from 'rogue states'. Russia offered the use of its tracking facilities whilst USA supplied the missiles.
USA refused this offer from Russia. Refused this hand of friendship and continued co-operation. This refusal, by USA, has been a clear indication that, unless proven otherwise, the only 'rogue' country that USA is talking about is Russia.
USA, using the cloak of NATO, is wanting to build a missile shield, against, Russia, for its purpose, on European soil.
The USA has got no intention of creating a partnership with Russia to help build a safer world.
Taking this a little further, Russia had complied with all requests made regarding the building of the Nuclar plant in Iran to prevent Iran from building 'the bomb'. And these requests (pressure) from the USA.
The USA still thinks of Reds Under the Beds, and the Russians will your babies and all that clap trap. The media doesn't help any with their lies.
If there was less hipocryts/liars as politicians I am sure we will live in a better world.
Am sure you have heard of:
There are lies, lies and statistics. Well you can politicians to the end of that statement.
mike August 18, 2008, 16:05: this is international corporations making a killing again,

what purpose to plant missiles in poland
i'm sure any sub or ship can be deployed
with these missiles..
cold war, just another fear tactic to spend more on both sides,,
russia couldn't pawn of their equipment fast enough, now it wants to rearm
please .. that goes for the usa,
why ... because the military industrial complex wants to rape the citizens of the world...

hmm,,,, usa, was pissed that russia was arming cuba,, i can understand why russia would be concerned with missiles in poland...
iran my arse...
total bullshit...
on the other hand we usa/russia trade
like nothing is going on...
putin/bush greet each other like brothers
at the olympics...
what morons, but they laughing all the way to the bank..and the citizens are paying.....
Lou August 18, 2008, 15:49: What gives the US the right to put missiles on anyone's border? They seem to think that they have all the answers yet they are an country still in its infancy or adolecence as it appears. I hope that countries like Russia do not think that we (the people) in the UK agree in any part of our governments involvement in Iraq, Iran etc. We seem to get fed edited information through news channels that portrays the rest of the world in a bad light. Only one side of the story is told and unless you have access to channels like "Russia Today" you can't make an educated opinion in world affairs.
Why do we a the general public allow our Western governments get away with aiming missiles at other countries and continue with the obvious struggle for power over the oil in the middle east. I would assume that the obvious answer is that there are no strong moral leaders in europe they are all out for money and power!
Everyone has to earn a wage and lookafter their families whether in government, royalty, or just the average joe so why can we not just get on with our short lives, live them to the full and stop pointing the finger back and forth? Because at the end of the day it seems that we are just moving in a vicious cycle or war and hate and have been for thousands of years.
BOB August 18, 2008, 10:48: Arina, I meen any crisis coming from Military states, Alqeida is not a Military State, It is a terrorist group, that does not belive in conventional warfere, Like the U.S and Russia, it uses gorila warfare, like using women a suisied bombers.

Them and Iran, Who is suppling them with the weapons they need, is the only thing stopping the U.S from ending this crisis.

one way to stop the crisis in that region of the world, Is for Russia and the United States to come together and stop Iran with both of our reasources,

Or We The United States just do it our selfs, even if that meens using our technology, And man-power to invade Iran.

What about That, make u all feel warm and goowie inside?

Dolly, yes the same Alqeida the U.S supplied, In the 1980's, When they wern't a terrorist group, but a group of men trying to save thier country from the soviet union. Remember that..
Artem August 17, 2008, 23:35: Antimissiles in Europe is an obvious way to make sacrificial animals of people in Europe, just to let them face the first nuclear strike, to let them blast the expected nukes right over their heads or at least to have to deal with the following contamination while US would be preparing for the response. If it makes Poles death easier than others' so the decision of Poland's government may be seen reasonable in this sense... Nevertheless there are other ways for missiles to reach North America. Unfortunately that seems hardly to prevent USA policy from growing more insolent and risky. The military power policy becomes too typical for them nowadays.
Besides that, before speaking about the al Qaeda everyone should remember that Osama is a former US agent. While fighting with such a horrible apostate and Saddam US army seems to have already killed more innocent lives in Iraq and Afganistan than any of these criminals. Who counts these victims?
Robert August 17, 2008, 21:44: If this defense shield is so important to Europe. Why doesn't Russia also take part in it?. In a joint venture among US, Russia, and rest of Europe. Do I think it is needed. NO!. But why is Russia so against it?. And why aren't they asking to be part of it?! Rather than destroying it. If they are part of it. Than all fears are gone!. Russia should be part of it, if the rest of Europe and the US seems it is necessary to protect Europe, including Russia from Iran or other rogue states. But do we really need it. NO!. We need a world at peace!. That's what we really need.
Dolly August 17, 2008, 18:07: yes the same Alqeida that the Americans created and funded. Saddam Hussein used to be a CIA agent. I don't think America are in a position to give morality lessons. They are tyrants, who support the brutal Zionist government of Israel. Well done Russia for not letting America walk all over you
Arina August 17, 2008, 17:08: Bob: YOu dont understand what I said in your reply, You said American has every thing to end any crisis, Have money, Technology, and man power.

SO I wrote, then how come this all problems are going on from last 8 to 10 years, where is the END OF CRISIS? as you claim America has?

And if it can end any crisis then why they need this Missiles in Europe?